Elliott Abrams
Topic: Forget the Two State Solution
Bio: Senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, former deputy assistant to the president and deputy national security advisor for George W. Bush, supervisor for U.S. policy in the Middle East for the White House, and Special Representative for Iran and Venezuela for Donald Trump
Transcript:
Our speaker is Elliott Abrams who is a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Elliott served as deputy assistant to the president and deputy national security advisor for George W. Bush, where he supervised U.S. policy in the Middle East for the White House, and as Special Representative for Iran and Venezuela for Donald Trump.
I want to learn from Elliott why the Biden Administration and European leaders are pursuing a two-state solution after the violence of 10/7th. The Israeli public has abandoned the idea of a Palestinian state for over a decade because of the fear of ongoing terrorism. So I wonder why this idea is still the objective for the end game.
Buckle up!
Elliott can you please begin with your opening six-minute remarks with a framework to understanding antisemitism.
Elliott Abrams:
In recent weeks, we've heard a lot about the two-state solution. Saudi Arabia demanding it. Europeans demanding it. More importantly, President Biden and Secretary of State Blinken demanding it. In fact, Blinken talked of an irreversible, time-bound path to a Palestinian state. This is very unwise.
People have been talking about a Palestinian state for 30 years since 1993, the Oslo Accords. Why hasn't it happened? First, there are intractable problems that have existed from the beginning and still do. For example, are you going to divide Jerusalem again? Is that really a smart thing to do? Where would you draw the border of this Palestinian state? What about in the West Bank? The last negotiations saw the Palestinians saying that Ariel, a town of 20,000, would have to become part of Palestine. Really?
There is a second problem that did not exist in the 90s, Iran. Iran has essentially taken over Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, and Gaza. If there was a Palestinian state created, they would try to take it over. It would be an incredibly juicy target for Iran in its efforts to destroy Israel. Who would prevent them?
People say, Palestine now would be demilitarized, it will not have an army, who is going to police that? Who is going to prevent that Palestinian state from importing weaponry? You are going to have a situation like that which existed in Germany after the Versailles Treaty, where everybody in the population was very much opposed to the demilitarization that had been forced upon them.
Why is it that nobody ever talks about democracy? People talk about how Israel must be a Jewish and a democratic state. They do not talk about Palestine being a democratic state. Why is that? Well, one reason, is that there is no democratic Arab state, not one. So, people might think that is a bit much to ask for, but I will give you another reason. The last time there was an election, a majority voted for Hamas. That was in 2006. Popular vote was 44% to 41%. Hamas over Fatah. And the public opinion polls today suggest that Hamas would have an even greater victory.
That points to a real problem with Palestinian public opinion. Maybe that voting pattern is because Palestinians want to destroy the State of Israel. That is, Palestinian nationalism is not fundamentally about building a state of their own. It is about destroying the Jewish state.
I think people who are casually saying, we want an irreversible path time bound. It does not matter what happens along that path. It does not matter what Iran does. It does not matter how much violence there is. It does not matter if it looks like that state will be a Hamas state. I can hardly believe that Secretary of State Blinken believed what he was saying. Because all previous efforts at Palestinian statehood have said that there would be significant conditionality. The way it is being talked about and the ultimate idea are dangerous to Israel, favors Iran, and therefore not in the interest of the United States.
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